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Posted: 15 May 2008 04:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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The people I spoke with are in Stanardsville, Va. You might want to contact them through their website @ http://www.blueridgepottery.com/BRPMain.html. I was told that the pipeline is approximately 10 feet down.
PS if your ever in the area they have a great pottery store, its near Charlottesville, Va.

I can’t wait to see whats next SLUDGE DUMPING, CAFOS (EXCUSE ME HOG FARM), GAS LINE it seems that corporate America can get away with anything they want over those poor country folk!

The best offense is a good defense before the next attack!

Thanks for the info. I will contact them.  grin

As for what’s next, a high power electric line coming up from Maryland I heard mentioned at last evening’s meeting.

We are rapidly growing in this end of the county and when there is an increase in population, updated utility services go hand and hand as well as crime. The latter few people in this community find pleasing.  mad

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Posted: 15 May 2008 04:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Here is a link to the other company that is proposing to put a gas pipeline through York County.  Only one line will be approved (if any).  http://www.yorkdailyrecord.com/ci_9262955

Thank you for posting the additional information for those who don’t watch WGAL or read the local newspapers.  grin

Two other companies names were mentioned by Williams company personnel last evening. If it has to come through, I suggest land owners take a back seat for a while and not be so quick to enter into a deal with Williams until all companies have presented their offers to the land owners before land owners place their John Hancock on a contract.  grin

I will post my “Report To The People” from last evening’s meeting on this forum sometime late this evening.  grin

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Posted: 15 May 2008 05:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Williams is more of an energy services company.  They provide infrastructure for lots of things.  This is a big money project backed by some big companies in a time of extreme sensitivity to energy availability.  The Federal Government has already declarerd this area an ‘Energy Corridor’, and ultimately they will have the final decision.  I would like to believe that we could fight this, but despite statments to the contrary, it is a done deal, and it will go through.  The line itself may wander a bit from the original location, but it will go through.  If you are a big enough donor to the polotical party in power at the time, there is a fair chance that your property will be found ‘unsuitable’ to run the pipeline through, but otherwise, perpare for some diggin’.

Contributions to political parties have little to do with this issue, thus it really isn’t about contributing to the party in power at the time. I wish more people would become involved and pay attention to what is taking place in their communities and do their part to restore the power to “We The People” as clearly stated in the Preamble of the U.S. Constitution and the Constitution of Pennsylvania Article I, Declaration of Rights, rather than flip over on their backs like a turtle and surrender power to those in office.  grin

It is no hidden secret that the republicrats are focused on looking into alternative means of energy and improving on what is available to the public at this time. They will say and do anything that “We The People” will nibble on when running for re-election.  mad “We The People” need to quit “reading their lips” and judge them on their actions.  grin

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Posted: 16 May 2008 05:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Contributions to political parties have little to do with this issue

Want to take bets on that?  Take a look at where the new border fence between Mexico and US is running along the border in Texas.  There are some rather large tracts of land that belong to some very large Bush contributors that are not being bisected.  While other properties, ones that belong to people of less influence, are being cut to pieces.

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Posted: 19 May 2008 01:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Want to take bets on that?  Take a look at where the new border fence between Mexico and US is running along the border in Texas.  There are some rather large tracts of land that belong to some very large Bush contributors that are not being bisected.  While other properties, ones that belong to people of less influence, are being cut to pieces.

I didn’t say every issue, just this particular one for the time being, which could very well change. For now, it’s not applicable.  grin

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Posted: 10 July 2008 01:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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Time Magazine - FYI
Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 9:40 AM

Good article per Gas drilling phenomenon

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1820884,00.html

Web-Savvy Homeowners vs. Landmen

By Hilary Hylton / Austin

In the pantheon of American mythology, the oil company “landman” is legendary. The archetype is Daniel Day-Lewis as the ambitious, conniving Daniel Plainview in There Will be Blood, a smooth-talking, seemingly friendly fellow who, in the short space of time it takes to sip a cup of coffee on the front porch, persuades a dirt farmer to sell his mineral rights for a song. But those kind of landmen exist only in the movies nowadays. There is no sweet-talking your way into a deal in these times. Today’s energy company landmen must deal with Texas soccer moms with their own websites and Pennsylvania dairy farmers/bloggers, all armed with Google maps and Excel spreadsheets. The domestic gas-exploration business has undergone a revolutionary face-lift.

For example, landmen showed up late last year in Wayne County, Pa., lured by the possibilities of huge gas reserves in the Marcellus Shale. But Ron Stamets, a website developer who moved to the country from urban New Jersey because he liked the rural lifestyle, heard about it and helped set up a quickie website to help his neighbors understand their options. No easy deals here. Marcellus lease prices ballooned, from $20 to hundreds of dollars an acre. So have the hits on his website, http://www.pagaslease.com, with as many as 100,000 a day, Stamets says. The site has also given birth to several “child boards” that focus on detailed tech talk about the economic, environmental and tax implications of gas exploration. The goal for most members, Stamets says, is twofold: “What’s in it for me, and how am I going to protect the other resources that I’ve enjoyed for so long?”

That kind of knowing, if not calculating, the market by landowners is what the energy industry faces, especially now when many of their rigs are going up in suburban and even urban areas like Fort Worth, Texas, or places like the rolling farmland of western Pennsylvania, where East Coast city dwellers have summer homes or send their kids to camp. And one need not be an urbanite or a suburbanite to profit from the Web support. In neighboring West Virginia, landowners have discovered, thanks to Stamets and others, that just because their fathers and grandfathers may have signed away coal rights, they still maintain mineral rights to natural gas deep within the southern section of the Marcellus. Similar knowledge, once out of reach, has sparked leasing frenzies in Michigan, Louisiana, Arkansas, Colorado and West Virginia.

What do the websites provide their users, be they hungry to sell or angling to fight off landmen? Stamets offers information on pricing and leasing, and even photographs of drilling rigs to illustrate just what a well next door to the dairy barn might mean. The site also has a Google map feature that shows up-to-date lease information, proposed well sites and infrastructure locations. It is a model that could be used countrywide, Stamets says. In the old days, locating who owned what and where meant hours of pouring over tract maps at the county courthouse. “Someone told me we are scaring the heck out of the oil companies,” Stamets says.

Stamets says what he and his Pennsylvania dairy-farmer neighbors are doing is based on the experiences of Fort Worth neighborhoods. The Barnett Shale site has long been known to Texas oilmen, but extracting what is estimated to be some 2.5 trillion cu. ft. of natural gas from the 350-million-year-old rocks beneath the Dallas-Fort Worth area only became feasible in the last decade with the advent of horizontal drilling techniques. Thirty-five years ago, Fort Worth attorney Bob West helped West Texas landowners negotiate royalty agreements, but he sees a world of difference in contract talks between one or two West Texas landowners and the energy companies back in the 1960s and today’s urban explorers. The Internet, particularly blogs, has proved to be a “fabulous tool” in today’s royalty negotiations, West says, empowering landowners and enabling them to form alliances.

But it’s not all bad news for energy companies, West says. Obtaining urban leases, particularly for horizontal wells that can radiate several thousand feet, often involves negotiating with numerous landowners. Working with a coalition of property owners can cut a company’s landmen costs, West says.

As rigs pop up from the heart of downtown to suburban ranch-style homes out on the prairie, blogs and websites have matched the pace. The Fort Worth League of Neighborhood Associations (http://www.fwlna.org) serves as a clearinghouse for neighborhood leasing information. Individual neighborhood associations, small-town newspaper websites and Web activists both pro and con are also proliferating. The website BarnettShaleNews.com, run by Gene Powell, serves as a combination Drudge Report and market watch, compiling a weekly service of shale news with downloadable Excel spreadsheets and charts — some free, others only by subscription — on the going rates for leases. Signing bonuses have reached as high as $25,000 per homeowner with royalties expected to bring in conservatively $20,000 to $30,000 over a 20-year period in some cases.

“I have never seen an issue that brings out people to neighborhood meetings like this,” says West, who briefs the groups on the legal intricacies of mineral rights. Zoning or crime issues might bring out a small group to a neighborhood meeting, but mention the Barnett Shale and hundreds show up, West says. Neighborhood association secretaries post the latest on contract negotiations between runs to soccer practice and summer swimming lessons, and yard signs urging neighbors to sign or resist drilling are everywhere.

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Posted: 10 July 2008 01:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Stamets jokes that members and visitors to the sites fall into three categories: “NIMBYs” (not in my backyard), “HIMBYs” (here in my backyard) and “BANANAS” (build absolutely nothing anywhere near anyone).

There are a significant number of bananas. Don Young went from being a full-time glass artist to spending 50% of his working hours battling the energy companies via his website, FWcando.org (Fort Worth Citizens Against Drilling Ordinance). He first became alarmed at the exploration boom when a prairie reserve near his old, cherished Fort Worth neighborhood was threatened. He began the fight by printing flyers and distributing them to his neighbors, but he soon set up a website to keep the information flowing. It has not only been a clearinghouse for Fort Worth residents concerned about the impact of backyard gas wells, but it also attracts daily e-mail messages from groups across the country, Young says. His site links to other anti-drilling advocates from New Mexico and Wyoming to Pennsylvania, Arkansas and Michigan.

Young says some of his neighbors are attracted by the sort of Texas mythology that is woven into Fort Worth’s cultural history, including legends portrayed in movies like Giant with the brooding poor ranch hand played by James Dean turning into a plutocratic wildcatter. But Young and other opponents insist the real Texas — the city’s old neighborhoods and tree-lined trails, plus the rolling prairie lands and nearby small towns — are threatened. “The oil companies are acting like it’s West Texas here, but it’s not,” Young says. “We’re trying to put a brake on things.”

For him the fight is personal, sometimes sadly pitting neighbor against neighbor. Young has turned down a $25,000 signing bonus offered for his own land. With daily headlines proclaiming new exploration moves, Young is now committed to focusing his neighbors’ attentions on the impact that the accompanying pipelines and service roads will have. Says Young: “The war is not won by them or lost by us ... yet.”

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Posted: 12 July 2008 05:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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For those who don’t know it ,there is already a gas pipe line that runs under Hickory Road.If you go back Hickory Road to where Blue Ball & Hickory split, (Big blue building in the middle) bear to the right on Hickory & go a 1/4 to 1/2 of a mile ,it’s on the right where the tan pole barn is.It runs through the late Ken McCleary’s property.I’ve lived here for more then 40 years & my wife has lived here longer then that.Neither one us remember it being put in but I always remember seeing it while hunting.We aren’t sure what company has it.

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Posted: 12 July 2008 09:05 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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I must apologize.On my last post I had said that you bear to the right on Hickory Road ,actually you must bear to the left at the intersection of Blue Ball & Hickory Road (Blue building in the middle)

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Posted: 12 July 2008 04:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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For those who don’t know it ,there is already a gas pipe line that runs under Hickory Road.If you go back Hickory Road to where Blue Ball & Hickory split, (Big blue building in the middle) bear to the right on Hickory & go a 1/4 to 1/2 of a mile ,it’s on the right where the tan pole barn is.It runs through the late Ken McCleary’s property.I’ve lived here for more then 40 years & my wife has lived here longer then that.Neither one us remember it being put in but I always remember seeing it while hunting.We aren’t sure what company has it.

Probably Columbia Gas as they are the only company I know of off the top of my head that has been in the area for decades.

I know they have been doing some work over the years replacing lines.

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Posted: 12 July 2008 04:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Contributions to political parties have little to do with this issue

Want to take bets on that?  Take a look at where the new border fence between Mexico and US is running along the border in Texas.  There are some rather large tracts of land that belong to some very large Bush contributors that are not being bisected.  While other properties, ones that belong to people of less influence, are being cut to pieces.

The border fence and the gas pipeline are two different issues. The border fence is being built because elected officials count on the illegals to elect them. Yes, voter fraud still exists in the U.S.A. and it’s everywhere not just CA, TX, and the border states to Mexico.

Okay, I’ll admit there may be some contributions to political parties regarding this issue but not to the extent as others especially with how all 4 houses have been under investigation for the past two years. The axe is coming down pretty hard in case you haven’t caught the news on WGAL or in the local newspapers lately.

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Posted: 12 July 2008 09:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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The axe is coming down hard?  You have got to be kidding.  This is just clearing out dead wood, and when it is gone, ten more will replace them.  These are jsut the few stupid enough to get caught.  It is nearly impossible to get any congressional rep out of office.  There have actually been one that served from a jail cell.  How many got voted out of office after the late night pay raise?  It wasnt very many, despite the public outcry.  People have a very short memory when it comes to politics.  If it isnt immediately effecting the now, then it isnt really something anyone wants to think about.
The politics around here and involved with the pipeline are different than those at the state and national level.  There are lots of little points of influence along the way, from land owners to surveyors, architects, inspectors, county and municipality officials, and any number of others.  Each of these will have input to one degree or another, and they all have thier own issues.

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Posted: 12 July 2008 09:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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The axe is coming down hard?  You have got to be kidding.  This is just clearing out dead wood, and when it is gone, ten more will replace them.  These are jsut the few stupid enough to get caught.  It is nearly impossible to get any congressional rep out of office.  There have actually been one that served from a jail cell.  How many got voted out of office after the late night pay raise?  It wasnt very many, despite the public outcry.  People have a very short memory when it comes to politics.  If it isnt immediately effecting the now, then it isnt really something anyone wants to think about.
The politics around here and involved with the pipeline are different than those at the state and national level.  There are lots of little points of influence along the way, from land owners to surveyors, architects, inspectors, county and municipality officials, and any number of others.  Each of these will have input to one degree or another, and they all have thier own issues.

we hate them as a group but like them as individuals...the is how they get elected in the first place and continue to get elected

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Posted: 13 July 2008 07:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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There are maxims in business.  One particular item that cmoes to mind is that at any meeting of more than three people, nothing will be decided.  These folks never meet with less than half a dozen.

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