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Posted: 17 May 2008 01:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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SESD in the paper again…

Negotiate teacher contract in-house
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Article Launched: 05/17/2008 01:50:23 AM EDT

Twenty eight professional resignations and counting. Looks like South Eastern School District will peak the county school districts in resignations for the second consecutive year.

What will the excuse be this year? Perhaps, the retirement incentive within the present teacher contract. There is an incentive. However, it only applies to teachers who have taught for 34 years at SESD. The incentive is that their medical benefits are paid until they become eligible for Social Security. How many of the retiring teachers have 34 years of teaching within SESD? More importantly, how many retiring teachers with experience would stay if the working atmosphere was more positive?

You may hear that teachers are leaving due to the teacher’s contract not being settled. True again. However, this is the first time our district has ever involved an outside source to be part of the negotiations. Historically, the district has negotiated in house with school board, superintendent and teacher’s association. We have never paid an additional lawyer to be the board’s chief negotiator. Under the current leadership, a lawyer from Lancaster has been hired. Who benefits from the negotiation process taking as long as possible? Perhaps, the lawyer?

Maybe resignations will stop with 28. Or will springtime bring additional teachers leaving? Why are we paying a lawyer when we already have local attorneys on retainer? Why can’t people in-house work with the board to settle a contract? Is something going on in the district that people can’t work together, and is it the same thing that is causing district employees to resign in large numbers again? Let’s look at these facts and make changes that will benefit the students, staff and community of SESD.
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Posted: 18 May 2008 02:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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mamma - 17 May 2008 01:10 PM

SESD in the paper again...Under the current leadership, a lawyer from Lancaster has been hired. Who benefits from the negotiation process taking as long as possible? Perhaps, the lawyer?

Why are we paying a lawyer when we already have local attorneys on retainer? Why can’t people in-house work with the board to settle a contract? JANE MUELLER
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The South Eastern Tax Reform Coalition (SETRC) supports an outside negotiator to negotiate the teachers’ more than $25 million contract.  With all due respect to the Board, they are not skilled negotiators.  SETRC recognizes the importance of attracting and retaining competent personnel.  We also believe salary and benefits for all school employees must reflect the economic times and the ability of taxpayers to fund the school budget.  Our teachers benefits are way better than those of most taxpayers.  This year, the health insurance premium paid by a teacher for family coverage is $73 per month.  I don’t know anyone who pays that little for family coverage.  SETRC would like to see the teachers’ benefits aligned with those of the taxpayers.  Therefore, we believe a skilled negotiator is required.

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Posted: 18 May 2008 07:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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Somehow, I dont find a letter to the editor to qualify as SESD being ‘In the paper’.  Opinion is simply that.

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Posted: 18 May 2008 07:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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SESD in the paper again....what else is new - some people enjoy writing bad information just to see their name in print.

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Posted: 18 May 2008 08:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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Why get a lawyer from Lancaster County? Taxpayers are paying for him from the moment he leaves his office, makes the 45 minutes to 1 hour+ trip and back. Where does that fit into the SETRC’s thoughts? What happened to supporting local economy?

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Posted: 18 May 2008 09:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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Marge - 18 May 2008 02:02 PM

Our teachers benefits are way better than those of most taxpayers.  This year, the health insurance premium paid by a teacher for family coverage is $73 per month.  I don’t know anyone who pays that little for family coverage.  SETRC would like to see the teachers’ benefits aligned with those of the taxpayers.  Therefore, we believe a skilled negotiator is required.

From the outside looking in why is having good teacher benefits such a big deal? Many folks feel that teaching can at times be a thankless job, and it always had a history of low compensation yet even more will say they are underpaid and deserve so much more. Why the need to bring them inline with other taxpayers?  (I am assuming that this “inline effort” will be viewed negatively by the teachers)

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Posted: 18 May 2008 10:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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To SESD in the Paper Again

If you want to write about public education, please get your information correct and also cease and desist from harping on the same misinformation.  One error this year was the ranting about emergency certificates when the information was incorrect concerning substitute teachers as well as those who were previously certified in MD! FYI - schools are having trouble getting substitute teachers - emergency certified subs are a welcome addition to the lists and should not be denigrated.  I also do not recall your reporting that the PDE certification department was months behind in processing certificates, and in the meantime they recommended obtaining an emergency certificate.....

You also need to understand the challenge of a good district like SESD in retaining young teachers. Many new teachers start their careers in smaller, rural districts, and then have an opportunity to a) move to another district that pays more, b) move to one closer to home, c) marry and move to be with their spouse or d) go to one that provides an opportunity for professional growth - administration, guidance, coaching, etc. In today’s paper, James McClure, in writing about Dr. Luther Sowers, refers to the “remote South Eastern School District.” Fact is, that is the way SESD has been always been viewed!  You need only to look back through the history of SESD to find some outstanding teachers who are now employed elsewhere. Try York Suburban - and ask Mrs. Falatovich (German) or Mrs. Gladfelter (French), why they departed KD in the 80s. This is not a new phenomena! Check with any similar district - a former Susquehannock teacher is the chair of Suburban’s English department, another is the yearbook advisor, and several are in their special education department. Then go to Dallastown and see how many districts have teachers in this system. It is also true that when teachers or administrators who are not doing their job are held accountable, they tend to leave. Unfortunately for SESD, no administrator or School Board member may rebut these constant jabs because personnel information is confidential - and they are not allowed to refute publicly whatever anyone you “interview” tells you. Your tune on this entire topic is becoming tiresome at best.

Now on to contract negotiations. In case you are not aware, a teacher contract essentially is the largest expense that a School Board has any control over these days. The SESD contract contains some very favorable benefits for teachers. One of the biggest is the one you cited which is to pay health insurance for the teachers who have been there for many years until they qualify for medicare (not social security by the way). Find me another district with that as a benefit! You may see a year to maybe three of health coverage, but certainly not what is at SESD. It appears the teachers understand they now have a benefit until June 30, that they probably won’t have in a new contract - I commend them for being smart about taking this and their retirement rather than end up paying for possibly many years of health care if they elect to continue teaching a couple more years. 

The School Board would indeed be giving away the fort to offer that benefit again (if you know what health care costs are per month). Perhaps that is one reason why they decided on an outside negotiator (who, by the way, is highly regarded as being one of the best in this area of PA). Then again, if you checked you might find out that most districts now hire contract negotiators for good reason.  Do you think for one minute that the teachers are not being guided by a highly qualified group of attorneys and uniserve reps from PSEA? The School Board would be less than responsible if they did not see that the financial interests of the district and the taxpayers were safeguarded in this negotiations process, especially since there is Act I to contend with in today’s world.

Now, could you please stop slamming SESD? It’s a great district!  If you cease being negative and take a close look at what is happening in SESD, you just might be surprised to see that the academic curriculum is quickly gaining strength, that the administrators are bright and committed, that the new teachers and many of the others are student-oriented and working hard, and that the buildings and facilities are finally getting straightened out. There is much to celebrate in SESD; a little positive support would go a long way!

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Posted: 18 May 2008 10:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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Shawn,
One more error in the letter to the editor.  SESD is up to 31 professional resignations to date not 28.

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Posted: 19 May 2008 12:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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28 - 31 - it really doesn’t matter - The individuals leaving are making a choice for their own reasons - maybe you should ask them why they are leaving - after all - didn’t that teachers first group have something in the newspaper about interviews? I thought I remembered seeing an editorial a few months back. I wonder why a few former teachers work so hard at hurting the reputation of SESD by putting so many negative things in the paper and yet they claim to love the district so much.....

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Posted: 19 May 2008 03:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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dumdumlollies - 18 May 2008 08:50 PM

Why get a lawyer from Lancaster County? Taxpayers are paying for him from the moment he leaves his office, makes the 45 minutes to 1 hour+ trip and back. Where does that fit into the SETRC’s thoughts? What happened to supporting local economy?

Shawn has answered this - the negotiator hired by SESD is highly regarded as being one of the best in this area.  The lawyers we have on retainer have different fields of expertise, which do not necessarily include negotiating.  In addition, if we used any we have on retainer, we would still be charged for their time - it would not be covered by the retainer.  We also feel it’s better to have a neutral party conducting the negotiations.

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Posted: 19 May 2008 03:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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Our teachers benefits are way better than those of most taxpayers.  This year, the health insurance premium paid by a teacher for family coverage is $73 per month.  I don’t know anyone who pays that little for family coverage.  SETRC would like to see the teachers’ benefits aligned with those of the taxpayers.  Therefore, we believe a skilled negotiator is required.

From the outside looking in why is having good teacher benefits such a big deal? Many folks feel that teaching can at times be a thankless job, and it always had a history of low compensation yet even more will say they are underpaid and deserve so much more. Why the need to bring them inline with other taxpayers?  (I am assuming that this “inline effort” will be viewed negatively by the teachers)

Of course it will be viewed negatively by teachers.  Anytime anyone is asked to pay more it’s viewed negatively.  What about the taxpayers, many who are barely making ends meet, who are required to pay more and more in taxes every year?  Do I know people who do not have health insurance because they can’t afford it -yes, I do.  It doesn’t sit well with them that they pay the majority of the teachers’ premiums and can’t afford their own.

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Posted: 19 May 2008 06:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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So the taxpayers are perfectly happy paying him at least an hour and a half for travel time plus his time in negotiations. I’m sure they love knowing that they pay him for every phone call the district makes to him and all the paperwork he does for them. I would love to be him with that paycheck.

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Posted: 19 May 2008 07:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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The “retainer” that is being talked about is just for attending Board meetings. All other legal advice is billed separately by the local legal group. I would imagine that based on the other legal firms reputation for negotiations, the lawyer will save the district more then it costs them.

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Posted: 19 May 2008 10:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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i was just thinking it’s funny how this thread went from squid to lawyers...............

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Posted: 20 May 2008 06:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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There is a parallel between squid and lawyers… they are both kind of slimy.

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