Now when you talk about the back lower parking lot, I’m not sure what you are talking about, so please elaborate.
Which brings up my next point. Supervision. You say there would be nothing to maintain, yet if the Borough/HARP or whoever is as you say “giving you this space” then they have authorized the use of that space for skateboarding. When Johnny down the street cracks his head wide open on the metal coping and his mother who is not nearly as level headed as you are immediately wants to sue someone who’s going to be at the table representing the “skateboard space” when the lawsuit is filed?
Thanks for those thoughts. I have a question regarding the “supervision.” There is an awesome skate park in a parking lot along Mt. Carmel Road towards Carroll County. There is NO supervision. There is a sign posted with rules and Skate at your own Risk. When you let your kid out the door to go ride a bike, he doesn’t go to a “bike park”, and if he falls off and hurts himself, you don’t sue the road he fell on. This is the same phylosophy. The rules require all the protective gear be worn and all that other good stuff about no skating after dark, no alcohol, etc.
For the space, I was thinking the lower parking lot by the new play ground or even the camelot parking lot. That would be even further out of people’s way, so as not to bother anyone. What about these ideas?
Now when you talk about the back lower parking lot, I’m not sure what you are talking about, so please elaborate.
Which brings up my next point. Supervision. You say there would be nothing to maintain, yet if the Borough/HARP or whoever is as you say “giving you this space” then they have authorized the use of that space for skateboarding. When Johnny down the street cracks his head wide open on the metal coping and his mother who is not nearly as level headed as you are immediately wants to sue someone who’s going to be at the table representing the “skateboard space” when the lawsuit is filed?
Thanks for those thoughts. I have a question regarding the “supervision.” There is an awesome skate park in a parking lot along Mt. Carmel Road towards Carroll County. There is NO supervision. There is a sign posted with rules and Skate at your own Risk. When you let your kid out the door to go ride a bike, he doesn’t go to a “bike park”, and if he falls off and hurts himself, you don’t sue the road he fell on. This is the same phylosophy. The rules require all the protective gear be worn and all that other good stuff about no skating after dark, no alcohol, etc.
For the space, I was thinking the lower parking lot by the new play ground or even the camelot parking lot. That would be even further out of people’s way, so as not to bother anyone. What about these ideas?
Ever been to the one in Manchester, MD? Not sure if it is still there or not. Never been there myself, just driven by it.
Now Thanks for those thoughts. I have a question regarding the “supervision.” There is an awesome skate park in a parking lot along Mt. Carmel Road towards Carroll County. There is NO supervision. There is a sign posted with rules and Skate at your own Risk. When you let your kid out the door to go ride a bike, he doesn’t go to a “bike park”, and if he falls off and hurts himself, you don’t sue the road he fell on. This is the same phylosophy. The rules require all the protective gear be worn and all that other good stuff about no skating after dark, no alcohol, etc.
Now when you talk about the back lower parking lot, I’m not sure what you are talking about, so please elaborate.
Which brings up my next point. Supervision. You say there would be nothing to maintain, yet if the Borough/HARP or whoever is as you say “giving you this space” then they have authorized the use of that space for skateboarding. When Johnny down the street cracks his head wide open on the metal coping and his mother who is not nearly as level headed as you are immediately wants to sue someone who’s going to be at the table representing the “skateboard space” when the lawsuit is filed?
Thanks for those thoughts. I have a question regarding the “supervision.” There is an awesome skate park in a parking lot along Mt. Carmel Road towards Carroll County. There is NO supervision. There is a sign posted with rules and Skate at your own Risk. When you let your kid out the door to go ride a bike, he doesn’t go to a “bike park”, and if he falls off and hurts himself, you don’t sue the road he fell on. This is the same phylosophy. The rules require all the protective gear be worn and all that other good stuff about no skating after dark, no alcohol, etc.
For the space, I was thinking the lower parking lot by the new play ground or even the camelot parking lot. That would be even further out of people’s way, so as not to bother anyone. What about these ideas?
I wasn’t arguing for or against supervision, only stating that you have much to research if you want something to happen and that in many cases, if someone GIVES you space as you’ve seemed to indicate you’d like, then you’ll have to adhere to whatever rules they deem necessary, that may mean supervision. Yes, there are unsupervised skateparks, I’ve seen bunches especially in the Northeast....how and why does that work for them....that’s something you need to find out for yourself. Why not call that one towards Carroll County and ask them the in’s and out’s and the process gone through to have that unsupervised skatepark built.
I also think if you’re going to spearhead something you need to figure out what you want first. You mentioned previously having a space you can just roll some ramps to. If you’re talking about just a couple of launch ramps, 1/4 pipe, rails’, street stuff, etc, you’ll need a paved lot for that because skateboarding on crush and run doesn’t really work and neither of the lots you mention are paved. If the intention is to use a non-paved lot, then you’ll either have to pave somewhere, which is not free, or just go the way of a 1/2 pipe or a full skatepark, which is 10 times the work and not free.
So that’s what I think about the ideas, I think you have good thoughts and a willingness and heart to pursue it, but I think you have lots of leg work, research and decisions to make prior to talking to anyone about it.
You are definitely right. I didn’t realize the lots weren’t paved. I was just talking about the roll on ramps. A full skate park would be much to build, which we would gladly do, but I don’t know that the Borough or Hopewell would be in to that. I still plan to attend the meeting. I’d like to voice my concern about not being able to skate in certain areas in the Borough. Kids are getting fines and I just think it’s silly. So I’ll start there and maybe they will offer solutions we can build on. We live in a state where it’s legal to ride a motorcycle WITHOUT a helmet (CRAZY), but in our town you can’t skate down the sidewalk. There, as I know you are aware, are a lot of cotradictions, as there are with all government. I’d just like to voice my concerns and there are a few other parents that want to attend as well. Thanks again for all of your good points. Much to consider. I’m certainly not a politician, and trust me, I have NO desire to become one. I’m just a mom with a husband that has a passion for skating and a son that likes being active and jumping on a skateboard now and again. I’d like to see that freedom allowed for him, in as safe of an environment as possible. Being in a family of skaters, we truly don’t see the difference between riding a bike and skateboarding. It’s mostly the “non-skaters” that believe it’s dangerous. Thanks again for the education! I have much to learn about politics and little desire to do so!
You are definitely right. I didn’t realize the lots weren’t paved. I was just talking about the roll on ramps. A full skate park would be much to build, which we would gladly do, but I don’t know that the Borough or Hopewell would be in to that. I still plan to attend the meeting. I’d like to voice my concern about not being able to skate in certain areas in the Borough. Kids are getting fines and I just think it’s silly. So I’ll start there and maybe they will offer solutions we can build on. We live in a state where it’s legal to ride a motorcycle WITHOUT a helmet (CRAZY), but in our town you can’t skate down the sidewalk. There, as I know you are aware, are a lot of cotradictions, as there are with all government. I’d just like to voice my concerns and there are a few other parents that want to attend as well. Thanks again for all of your good points. Much to consider. I’m certainly not a politician, and trust me, I have NO desire to become one. I’m just a mom with a husband that has a passion for skating and a son that likes being active and jumping on a skateboard now and again. I’d like to see that freedom allowed for him, in as safe of an environment as possible. Being in a family of skaters, we truly don’t see the difference between riding a bike and skateboarding. It’s mostly the “non-skaters” that believe it’s dangerous. Thanks again for the education! I have much to learn about politics and little desire to do so!
I would hope that the township or borough would welcome someone with an idea that is willing to follow through on it! Keep brainstorming ideas and the best ones will float, and then you can run with it!
All I can say is America today isn’t it great? We have so many laws and our own children cannot play without parents being fined. I guess our children will need to stay indoors and play video games which you know results sometimes negatively with their development. I guess then we are promoting a good future for our children and in turn will allow law enforcement to deal with possible true criminals in the future. This is not being uncivil. This is being realistic. It is our consitutional right to have freedom of expression. The police need to focus on true criminals. Okay for the child that is being disruptive in society but a poor little guy trying to be outdoors and skate? Come on. The local PD have to have a better cause. As for the stop sign thing, my husband got a ticket a couple weeks ago. We after just moving to Stewartstown have quickly changed our minds about donating to local causes. Is this our welcoming committee? Tell me it is not. Tell me the local police have better things to do than to give the local residents stop sign violations when no traffic is around in the middle of the night, to give kids that skateboard citations? Tell me why I’m wrong moderator, or anyone else. Why is this uncivil? I am civil and I would venture that many of the folks that are expressing themselves about this topic are to. Because they have children and we don’t live in Russia, nor don’t want to live in Russia. Amen.
One other thing: the ticket my husband got was the first one in 20 years since his early twenties! Hmmm...maybe the local police can give new residents a friendly first time warning? It may promote current and future residents involvement with the community more. I guess its all about money and quotas since there must not be a high crime rate in Stewartstown? Tell me why I’m wrong.
The police need to focus on true criminals. Okay for the child that is being disruptive in society but a poor little guy trying to be outdoors and skate? Come on. The local PD have to have a better cause. As for the stop sign thing, my husband got a ticket a couple weeks ago. We after just moving to Stewartstown have quickly changed our minds about donating to local causes. Is this our welcoming committee? Tell me it is not. Tell me the local police have better things to do than to give the local residents stop sign violations when no traffic is around in the middle of the night, to give kids that skateboard citations? Tell me why I’m wrong moderator, or anyone else. Why is this uncivil? I am civil and I would venture that many of the folks that are expressing themselves about this topic are to. Because they have children and we don’t live in Russia, nor don’t want to live in Russia. Amen.
KATY@SCARBOROUGHFARE - 14 April 2008 04:14 PM
One other thing: the ticket my husband got was the first one in 20 years since his early twenties! Hmmm...maybe the local police can give new residents a friendly first time warning? It may promote current and future residents involvement with the community more. I guess its all about money and quotas since there must not be a high crime rate in Stewartstown? Tell me why I’m wrong.
Sooooo, he should be given a warning because you are new to the area and because it was the middle of the night? How new were you to the area when this happened? What if one of the kids was out at night skateboarding and was hit because someone ran a stop sign....then what??? Your husband broke the law and got what he deserved. And by your screen name, it looks like you live in the Station, which is NOT SPD jurisdication, therefore you are NOT a new resident of their jurisdication. Oh and you are wrong, because contrary to popular belief, PDs DO NOT have a quota system, the are highly illegal.
We are d***ed if we do and d***ed if we don’t! And for the record: I do NOT work for SPD, but I would be proud to work for Chief Cunningham.
Sorry MODS, but it really peeves me when folks spout off about us doing our jobs!
And now lets get back to the great discussion of getting a nice place to skate in town!!!
You are definitely right. I didn’t realize the lots weren’t paved. I was just talking about the roll on ramps. A full skate park would be much to build, which we would gladly do, but I don’t know that the Borough or Hopewell would be in to that. I still plan to attend the meeting. I’d like to voice my concern about not being able to skate in certain areas in the Borough. Kids are getting fines and I just think it’s silly. So I’ll start there and maybe they will offer solutions we can build on. We live in a state where it’s legal to ride a motorcycle WITHOUT a helmet (CRAZY), but in our town you can’t skate down the sidewalk. There, as I know you are aware, are a lot of cotradictions, as there are with all government. I’d just like to voice my concerns and there are a few other parents that want to attend as well. Thanks again for all of your good points. Much to consider. I’m certainly not a politician, and trust me, I have NO desire to become one. I’m just a mom with a husband that has a passion for skating and a son that likes being active and jumping on a skateboard now and again. I’d like to see that freedom allowed for him, in as safe of an environment as possible. Being in a family of skaters, we truly don’t see the difference between riding a bike and skateboarding. It’s mostly the “non-skaters” that believe it’s dangerous. Thanks again for the education! I have much to learn about politics and little desire to do so!
I think the fairgrounds would look great with a half pipe on the grounds!!! You it is wacky that we can ride cycles without helmets, but you cannot go without your seatbelt. Makes no sense to me...I ride a sportbike and NEVER go without a helmet!!!
If you have concerns, comments or complaints about our police department, please come and voice them in person at a Council meeting.....1st or 3rd Monday. We welcome your presence
The police need to focus on true criminals. Okay for the child that is being disruptive in society but a poor little guy trying to be outdoors and skate? Come on. The local PD have to have a better cause. As for the stop sign thing, my husband got a ticket a couple weeks ago. We after just moving to Stewartstown have quickly changed our minds about donating to local causes. Is this our welcoming committee? Tell me it is not. Tell me the local police have better things to do than to give the local residents stop sign violations when no traffic is around in the middle of the night, to give kids that skateboard citations? Tell me why I’m wrong moderator, or anyone else. Why is this uncivil? I am civil and I would venture that many of the folks that are expressing themselves about this topic are to. Because they have children and we don’t live in Russia, nor don’t want to live in Russia. Amen.
KATY@SCARBOROUGHFARE - 14 April 2008 04:14 PM
One other thing: the ticket my husband got was the first one in 20 years since his early twenties! Hmmm...maybe the local police can give new residents a friendly first time warning? It may promote current and future residents involvement with the community more. I guess its all about money and quotas since there must not be a high crime rate in Stewartstown? Tell me why I’m wrong.
Sooooo, he should be given a warning because you are new to the area and because it was the middle of the night? How new were you to the area when this happened? What if one of the kids was out at night skateboarding and was hit because someone ran a stop sign....then what??? Your husband broke the law and got what he deserved. And by your screen name, it looks like you live in the Station, which is NOT SPD jurisdication, therefore you are NOT a new resident of their jurisdication. Oh and you are wrong, because contrary to popular belief, PDs DO NOT have a quota system, the are highly illegal.
We are d***ed if we do and d***ed if we don’t! And for the record: I do NOT work for SPD, but I would be proud to work for Chief Cunningham.
Sorry MODS, but it really peeves me when folks spout off about us doing our jobs!
And now lets get back to the great discussion of getting a nice place to skate in town!!!
Chris,
If you are not writing tickets and enforcing the law people think you are just sucking down donuts and drinking coffee! Keep doing your job the way you know how most of us are in full support of our law enforcement officers and fire police.
BTW, I would go skating, but I would look like a tick on wheels
The law is the law. Break it and pay the price if caught. End of story. The police, whether local or State have a job to do. They are charged with enforcing the law. Yes, it would be nice to see them be able to focus more on the big crimes, but the reality of life is that these are not as prevalent in this area. Also, many times a simple traffic stop yields a major bust. So traffic stops are justifiable.
I am not a police officer. I am involved in public safety though as a fire fighter and EMT (volunteer in Stewartstown, paid part time EMT in Penn Township and Dillsburg). I have the “joy” of driving an ambulance in all three areas and let me tell you, I wish I could have a police escort with me at all times to deal with the number of people I see breaking the law when I drive. Not to mention, the number of people that break the law and cause accidents that I have to clean up. Almost every motor vehicle accident I have gone on in 4 years has been due to someone not paying attention, running a stop sign, speeding, not yielding or DUI/DWI. Of all of those accidents, 4 have ended with fatalities and 4 with permanent life-altering injuries. That does not count the numbers of fatals that others in this area have witnessed.
I have been ticketed for speeding before. I got what I deserved. I did not argue the tickets. I broke the law and that was all there was to it. The cops were not out to get me. They were just doing their job. Laws are useless without law enforcement - if you don’t believe me, look at township ordinances as a great example - unless you have a gutsy township and codes enforcement officer, not much gets done about them.
My brother was in a car that got stopped when he was 17 for a “dirty” license plate. The officer escorted all of the young gentlemen home that night because while making this routine traffic stop, he stopped a possible DWI/DUI that could have ended in tragedy. They had all consumed a couple of beers and had more to consume. They were headed to another party when stopped. If he had ignored that dirty license plate (and I am sure a strong gut feeling about their intent), I might not have a brother today.
I hope the men and women in blue keep up the good work. I hope they stop me if I screw up - I deserve it.
I guess that is another welcome to Stewartstown then. I guess we all can go back to this 1950’s mentality and just shut up and color and put on our happy face and not say anything. I’m gathering thats what alot of folks around here do. Just because I disagree with how the police give citations for petty offenses has nothing to do with daycare. Who are you and why are you so normal? Sorry, I take offense for being called a “strange bird”. Maybe because I’m from the city and expand my way of thinking beyond the borough. And if you live a couple blocks away from the borough automatically your not “one of us” and your those evil people that live blocks away. I’m a law abiding citizen, and have been for all of my life and I do have the problem with the local police department giving petty citations to local residents. It just paints a picture that they are desperate for money and can’t find true criminals. I would rather them be eating donuts and drinking coffee then penalizing law abiding citizens that are just trying to get home at 11 pm at night when there is no one in sight. I guess I’m strange for that?
All are welcome here.........all are not welcome to violate local traffic laws though
Again, if you disagree with your husbands citation I would urge you to come to a Borough meeting to discuss that, so far we’ve only heard your side, I believe it would be valuable, and only fair, to hear both sides?
Honestly though, if you’re arguing the ticket on the premise of “there was no one in sight” or “it was late” that is strange to me, as obviously there was someone in sight, namely a police officer.
Thanks Alex 
