Southern York County Life

JustPlainC - 28 April 2008 04:35 PM

Oh my goodness.  A non traditiional work day.  I think I havent heard that since I lived out west.  Mostly I just do shift work.

Your screen name used to include Scarborough.  Do you live in the borough?

Oh my goodness...I guess most people have 9-5 jobs where they could attend a meeting but I don’t. I’m sorry for being strange. Where do you live?

I live in the borough.  And no, I have worked pretty much any hours you could imagine.  But I would never use that as a reason why I couldnt attend a meeting to discuss something that I feel is very important.

markG - 28 April 2008 04:41 PM

Chris_McGraw - 28 April 2008 04:04 PM

chrisjames_71 - 28 April 2008 03:54 PM

Geez......

+1

+2

Sounds like the good ole’ boy network. Maybe I don’t belong here or start a women’s forum instead? +3

JustPlainC - 28 April 2008 04:59 PM

I live in the borough.  And no, I have worked pretty much any hours you could imagine.  But I would never use that as a reason why I couldnt attend a meeting to discuss something that I feel is very important.

There should be alternate ways to participate in change other than attending a meeting.

Good ole boy network?  While there is a kernel of truth to that stereotype, I dont think that is what is involved here.

JustPlainC - 28 April 2008 05:03 PM

Good ole boy network?  While there is a kernel of truth to that stereotype, I dont think that is what is involved here.

I do all the men against me..no women unless you are c but I don’t think so.

I think you’ll find more people work with you when you take a bit of the edge off your posts.  Perhaps you’re unaware that you come across a bit abrasive at times?  I don’t know if that is your intention.  Someone’s tone is hard to read online, which can be a problem.

Linatag - 28 April 2008 05:16 PM

I think you’ll find more people work with you when you take a bit of the edge off your posts.  Perhaps you’re unaware that you come across a bit abrasive at times?  I don’t know if that is your intention.  Someone’s tone is hard to read online, which can be a problem.

Maybe that’s it. But I’m just so tired of the politically correctness of the world. You have to be nice to disagree with insane policies. Where suddenly, good luck with finding an attorney. Is it that people are not open to change, don’t care, are afraid, or agree with these insane policies? I’m not little Miss Muffett. I’m tired of the fluff and all the nicey nice all the time. I’m not trying to be abrasive but I can understand if I come across that way.

I can’t speak on behalf of everyone, but I generally only fight fights I’m passionate about.  Skate boarding isn’t my passion. I also don’t live in the borough so most of the issues discussed on this forum don’t apply to me.  Most cities I’ve lived in have had a no skateboarding ordinance, so if it’s insane, the insanity is widespread coast to coast.  My personal opinion is anything that gets kids physically active is a good thing, but again I only have so much extra time and this isn’t an area I want to focus my energy.

However I can say that this is a close knit community and I’ve learned firsthand that many are very loyal to their town and it takes a while to prove your worth as an outsider.  Until you have proven yourself as a community member most of your suggestions for change are taken as criticism unless you know how to present your ideas with tact.  But that’s just my personal observation.

markG - 28 April 2008 04:41 PM

Chris_McGraw - 28 April 2008 04:04 PM

chrisjames_71 - 28 April 2008 03:54 PM

Geez......

+1

+2

+3 - (love the rehash) (use the search feature located at the top and right side of your screen)

Handy - 28 April 2008 06:09 PM

markG - 28 April 2008 04:41 PM

Chris_McGraw - 28 April 2008 04:04 PM

chrisjames_71 - 28 April 2008 03:54 PM

Geez......

+1

+2

+3 - (love the rehash) (use the search feature located at the top and right side of your screen)

I’m afraid to ask Why?

People are open to change.  But not change simply for the sake of changing.  This is a very old town with a very long history.  But by some comparisons it is a very forward thinking place. 
I like what LinTag said.  Ease up a bit.  This is a great place to live, and is not as closed minded as you might think.  And really, pick your battles.  Is it really worth an all out brawl over this? 
There are issues that we face here that at some point may require that level of passion and enthusiasm, but to fight a bloody battle over this is probably not worth the trouble.  It is possible to get things done without a fight.  For this thing, a light touch is probably a better alternative.  I really have no problem with skateboarding.  But not in the middle of the street, or on the sidewalks of a busy street.  Maybe there is room for compromise.  Write to the borough.  See what drove the ordinance in the first place.  The actual text of it is online, so it is possible to see the dates and who voted for it.  Maybe you can start there and see what you get.

JustPlainC - 28 April 2008 06:18 PM

People are open to change.  But not change simply for the sake of changing.  This is a very old town with a very long history.  But by some comparisons it is a very forward thinking place. 
I like what LinTag said.  Ease up a bit.  This is a great place to live, and is not as closed minded as you might think.  And really, pick your battles.  Is it really worth an all out brawl over this? 
There are issues that we face here that at some point may require that level of passion and enthusiasm, but to fight a bloody battle over this is probably not worth the trouble.  It is possible to get things done without a fight.  For this thing, a light touch is probably a better alternative.  I really have no problem with skateboarding.  But not in the middle of the street, or on the sidewalks of a busy street.  Maybe there is room for compromise.  Write to the borough.  See what drove the ordinance in the first place.  The actual text of it is online, so it is possible to see the dates and who voted for it.  Maybe you can start there and see what you get.

Okay, good idea C. I’ll look it over. I sort of think the person who wrote the original article entitled SK8 Police was correct and would be good to get with to persue this venue.  I’m a passionate person and believe in change when it is warranted. The image of the police blaring lights into a youth boy skateboarding and going back to his mother asking what is wrong to skateboard is a quite troubling image to me.

KATYS DAILY - 28 April 2008 05:35 PM

I’m tired of the fluff and all the nicey nice all the time.

I hate all that nicey nice fluff too, so here it is.

If it’s THAT important to you, if you’re THAT passionate about it, adjust your schedule and attend a meeting.  Not being mean, just being honest.  You could write a letter, or submit a complaint, but the meetings are where the business is done, and attending a meeting is where you ask your questions, state your case and opinion, and have a direct dialog with the local government.  If you’re complaining about someones overgrown hedge, then maybe a complaint or letter will do the job.  But since you’re trying to eradicate or modify a 5 year old ordinance, attendance at a meeting might be required.  On this mostly anonymous public forum, discussions are had, but decisions are not made.

i was on the borough council when the skateboarding ordinance was written...here’s why. several elderly people were having problems with (what were then) unruly, inconsiderate, overly agressive skateboarders. they were forced off the edge of the sidewalk by them...they were actually run into by them...they were verbally abused by them if they said anything to them...and they were afraid. so, instead of sitting at their computers and whining about the stupidity of the borough council, they wrote letters, filled out complaint forms, and came to council meetings to express their concern and ask for relief. they were listened to and got the skate boarders “controlled” by ordinance. as residents of the borough, the council (which consists of residents) is there on your behalf, whether you’re an elderly person seeking relief from skateboarders...or you’re a skateboarder seeking relief from what you may perceive as an “unfair” ordinance. but the council is not going to respond to anonymous diatribes on the internet...nor should they. if you want change, you must be willing to ask for it, not just complain because you aren’t getting it (no pun intended). write letters to the council, fill out complaint forms (they’re at the office), go to a council meeting. if you don’t seek the changes you want, you’re going to have to be satisfied with the changes someone else wants...and speaks up about.