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East Hopewell Township Meeting Tonight [May 7th] 7pm at East Hopewell Twp Bldg - Residents of Hopewell and Stewartstown Borough are Welcome
Posted: 08 May 2008 03:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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The hogs for one of the area CAFO’s, I don’t recall if it was Hopewell Tws. or Peach Bottom were being raised for a Canadian Company, so that would also be imported if sold in the U.S.

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Posted: 08 May 2008 03:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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The hogs for one of the area CAFO’s, I don’t recall if it was Hopewell Tws. or Peach Bottom were being raised for a Canadian Company, so that would also be imported if sold in the U.S.

To my knowledge there is no hog CAFO in Hopewell Township. There is one in East Hopewell Township and yes, this venture is in partnership with a Canadian firm.

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Posted: 08 May 2008 03:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Excuse me! I meant EAST Hopewell Township.

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Posted: 08 May 2008 03:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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I cannot attend this evening, but would like to.  May I ask though on this forum - what good would it do to voice concerns over the smell of the hog farm?  I am in Stewartstown Station and have smelled it - quite rank.  But from what I understand, the farmer won the right to have the farm.  Period.  Am I wrong?  I’m just asking what could possibly be done about the odor?  Anyone?

If any resident has a complaint about any issue the township meeting is the place to register it. smile

There are lacing agents that could be applied that would eliminate the odor just like there are lacing agents for sludge.

I am in process of obtaining the name of the individual who is experienced with both. It is my understanding that this individual attended a township meeting a while back and those who attended that meeting raised cane and did not want to listen to what the individual had to say as far as suggestions for lacing the odor. :( I was not present at that meeting and was in the hospital. Had I been present I would have suggested to those in attendance to let the individual speak. The individual came of his own free will and needed to be treated as a guest and spoken to in a civil and courteous manner at the township meeting.

I hope I answered your question. smile

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Posted: 08 May 2008 03:41 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Is there any way for us to know the dates of these meetings, prior to them being posted several hours before they start? Is it a first Wed of everymonth sort of thing?

Thanks.

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Posted: 08 May 2008 03:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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It is a farm it is going to have a scent associated with it. It is part of living in the country.  If the farmer is falling EPA regulations there is nothing you can do about it.  And since stench isn’t really part of EPA regulations I’m sure that their is nothing that is going to be done.  I hate to be so blunt but if you cant manage to live with the smells of the country then it may be time to move somewhere else.  You need to remember that if it weren’t for these farmers then you would have nothing to eat. Everyone is complaining about the high costs of food but yet they are making it harder for the farmers to make a living.  That seems very counter productive.

Please try to spare me the lecture on odors from farming. My Uncle [now deceased for over 30+ years] was a farmer so I’m very familiar with odors that come with farming.

Perhaps I needed to use a different word than “stench.” I selected that word because I felt it was a gentler word. smile

As for telling others and myself to move somewhere else, that comment is way out of line. I’m going to go out on a limb here in what I’m about to say, but it is possible I may have resided in the township longer than you. I was fully aware of this being a farming area when I moved into it. To set the record straight, I have never complained about manure application by any farmer. There are certain odors that are to be expected when residing in a farming area.

Please try to spare me of the lectures on farmers and the important role they play in food industry. I believe you are barking up the wrong tree on that comment. smile

I take umbrage with someone inferring that I’m responsible for making it difficult for farmers to make a living. If anyone is to blame as to why farmers are having a difficult time making a living it is the government!

Yes, the cost of food has increased a lot the past couple of weeks, again that is not the farmers fault.... it is the governments fault and the government knows it! I’m not happy paying increased prices on food no more than the next person. If you want to help farmers make a decent living and be able to remain in business contact President Bush!

I support local farmers and they know it! I buy eggs from a local farm rather than at the store. I buy beef from a local farm which the cows have not been treated with antibiotics. I buy produce in season from local farms. I do my part to support farmers. So please lecture someone else as you have targeted the wrong individual.

I will add one thing and that is the property of residents living within close proximity to the CAFO are zoned as ag/residential area not agriculture. The property of others who smelled the unpleasant odor reside in Stewartstown Station and Stewartstown Borough and their property is zoned residential. Perhaps those who’s properties are zoned ag/residential need to have their properties reassessed 50% agriculture and 50% residential and receive reduced school taxes. smile

I would like to add that my spouse and I have been diagnosed with asthma and that the odor triggered serious asthma attacks. We never had asthma before we moved here almost 30 years ago. We had to see our family physician who prescribed antibiotics and cough syrup so we could sleep at night. Like most people with insurance benefits the insurance company only pays 80% of doctor visits and prescriptions. Doctors in this county do not accept 80% and demand the other 20% remaining of the bill. Pharmacies do not accept 80% and demand the other remaining 20%. I don’t know if you ever have had a prescription filled for antibiotics or the last time you might have one filled, but the cost of them are outrageous. That odor cost us $100 for the remaining balance of our prescribed antibiotic prescription. My name isn’t Mellon, Rockefeller, etc. no more than any one elses. Perhaps to you $100 is chump change but to others it isn’t, especially our elderly residents who most people don’t seem to care about in this area. :( Always remember if God wills it, that someday everyone will be elderly. And no, I’m not elderly. smile

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Posted: 08 May 2008 03:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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JT - 08 May 2008 03:32 PM

Excuse me! I meant EAST Hopewell Township.

Geez, no need to yell smile

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Posted: 08 May 2008 03:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Boilerchick - you apparently misread what I was saying.  I’m with you here.  While I’m not crazy about the smell, the farmer won his right to have the farm.  He is zoned for it -he’s done nothing wrong.  I wish there was something that could be done about the smell - don’t like it, but oh well.  I’m just wondering if there is a way for the farmer to hold down the stench.  I’m not a farmer, and I don’t even play one on tv, so I have no idea if there is anything they can do (like a giant bag of kitty litter!) to help with the smell.  That’s kinda what I was asking.

Yes, something can be done to reduce/eliminate the odor and the farmer attended last evening’s township meeting and mentioned that a couple of years ago an individual came on their own free will to speak of the methods that could be used. However, residents present at the meeting booed the individual telling him to shut up and sit down and they were not interested in hearing what the individual had to say. The farmer is willing to cooperate, what more can residents ask for?

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Posted: 08 May 2008 04:01 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Report: Health risks outweigh farming cost cuts

Thank you Alex for posting the two informative and interesting articles. smile

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Posted: 08 May 2008 04:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Let’s see, we have imported oil, imported rice, etc ...  Do we want our meat to be imported in from Mexico?  Personally, I don’t even want to drink their water!  Be careful what you wish for.

I addressed this very issue in YDR’s weekly question last month. Unfortunately the YDR editor chose to not publish that portion of my response. I will try to locate it in my mailbox as I saved a copy of it and I will copy it and post it here. smile

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Posted: 08 May 2008 04:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Let’s see, we have imported oil, imported rice, etc ...  Do we want our meat to be imported in from Mexico?  Personally, I don’t even want to drink their water!  Be careful what you wish for.

The U.S. already imports meat from other countries:

Beef import share from Canada:

2002: 34 percent
2003: 25 percent
2004: 29 percent
2005: 30 percent
2006: 27 percent
2007: 26 percent

The US imported 13% of its Pork from Canada and Denmark last year according to the USDA.

and finally poultry:

U.S. to allow processed poultry shipments from China
By Libby Quaid, AP Food And Farm Writer

WASHINGTON --Poultry processed in China will be allowed to enter the United States despite outbreaks of deadly bird flu in China, the Bush administration said Thursday.

Well we can all thank previous president George Bush Sr. and previous president Bill Clinton for this. When NAFTA was passed years ago [which I opposed strongly and had discussions at a townhall meeting held by our previous congressman Bill Goodling] members of congress were “forced” to pass the side agreement “Enviromental Agreement” without being permitted to read it yet alone see it. Our nation will continue to be plagued by contaiminated food which has been imported into our country from Mexico and other countries. Other countries are not required to comply with U.S. rules and regulations set forth by the FDA. Remember the tainted strawberries from Mexico several years ago, remember the tainted grapes back in the mid to late 80’s from Mexico, remember the tainted green onions and spinach, etc., etc.? :(

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Posted: 08 May 2008 04:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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Excuse me! I meant EAST Hopewell Township.

No problem, I wasn’t attacking you. smile

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Posted: 08 May 2008 04:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Is there any way for us to know the dates of these meetings, prior to them being posted several hours before they start? Is it a first Wed of everymonth sort of thing?

Thanks.

The East Hopewell Township meetings are held the first Wednesday of every month at 7PM at the township building. If the meeting is to be changed, it will be announced. Usually the July meeting isn’t held because that week is a vacation week our township secretary takes and has been taking ever since she was a child. The July meeting is usually held the following Wednesday. smile East Hopewell Township has a web site and the dates and times of meetings and other interesting information is posted there. smile

The Hopewell Township meeting is held the first Thursday of every month at 7PM at the township building. Hopewell Township has a web site and the dates and times of meetings and other interesting information is posted there. smile

You are very welcome any time. smile

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Posted: 08 May 2008 04:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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Excuse me! I meant EAST Hopewell Township.

Geez, no need to yell smile

Thanks Chris, I agree. smile

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Posted: 08 May 2008 04:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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JH - Yes!  Thank you - you have answered my question.

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